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View Poll Results: Should scantily clad women be limited to one thread?
No, lets keep it the way it is, we should be able to post these types of pics in any thread.
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Yes, lets make it so that these pictures only appear in a singular thread with an NSFW label.
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These pictures should not be allowed on S2000.com at all.
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Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:39 AM
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The Tribe has spoken! Thank you to everyone that voted and commented. Glad to see people so fired up about s2000.com. It was far from unanimous but the majority (32 of 57) votes went to leaving things the way they are.

I hope we will all consider the good points made in this thread and that we can try to keep things work and family friendly in the general areas but it will not become a rule that these pictures be limited to one area.

Special thanks to BBCricketta for starting up an NSFW thread for girlie pictures. This is common practice on other forums and I think it will work out well for us if we can mostly keep these pictures to one area. Again, not a rule, just a friendly suggestion that it seems has the backing of a good portion of the forum members.





Good Morning All,

It has come to our attention that the posting of scantily clad women in various threads offends some people. My suggestion is that we keep these types of pictures to a singular thread so that it is easily avoidable by those who do not wish to see it.

We have decided to put it to a vote since this is after all a site that we all share. The votes are private. The poll will close in one week. Please weigh in on this important matter.

Edit: I have added an option for those who would like to see these materials removed from the site entirely.

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:49 AM
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I believe the pictures in question are of ladies sufficiently garbed as to be acceptable out in public?
I believe that the membership is made up of adults who have witnessed ladies in swimsuits before?
And I believe everybody's been issued a mouse? Yes?
I don't think that the site needs any more "laws or restrictions" than it already has.
And I don't care to hide behind anonymous voting.
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Mario, I don't see an attached poll????

My .02 cents, as long as it isn't outright nudity/softcore ****, I'm fine with it. Cars and pretty/scantily clad women seem to go hand in hand. Always has, always will.

I'm fine with what's going on as long as it doesn't cross the line. Mario, that's where you and 'blade will have to step in and decide what stays and what gets deleted.

Anyways, let the majority rule.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Java Junky View Post
I believe the pictures in question are of ladies sufficiently garbed as to be acceptable out in public?
I believe that the membership is made up of adults who have witnessed ladies in swimsuits before?
And I believe everybody's been issued a mouse? Yes?
I don't think that the site needs any more "laws or restrictions" than it already has.
And I don't care to hide behind anonymous voting.
Well put, JJ.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:53 AM
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I am not here to look at all the posts and decide if they are suitable for the membership. The question isn't whether the pictures should be allowed to stay, its whether they should be allowed to be all over the site. Its your decision.

If the picture violates the "terms of use" of the site, it will be removed, but they are very vague. Do some of the pictures push the limit? Absolutely, but this decision should be yours not mine.
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OK, I voted NO, with the caveat that the pics don't cross the line.
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Some examples might help (moved up top), do you consider any of these images in the title thread inappropriate? I can't make the call for anyone else, that's why I think its safer to limit them to one area.

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Old 02-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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^^Those picture are certainly pushing the limits. As JJ said, can these ladies be out in public? I would add, is there anything here I wouldn't see in some type of auto show?
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I dont intend to be the decider when it comes to whats appropriate or whats not, thats why I am putting it out there.

I think the idea of keeping it to one thread is acceptable, its common practice on other car sites. If the membership wants to have it anywhere and everywhere that's up to them, but at what point do we draw the line?

Enforcing the rules is hard, its even harder when the rules are vague. Thats the reason for the vote. Should we make it a rule or not. I don't think any of the moderators want to go around checking every picture posted to see if its appropriate or not. It reminds me of a quote:

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."

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If the supreme court can't define obscenity, I certainly ain't going to try.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
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The mods can't certainly police everything that goes on. From time to time your attention may be requested on a specific item and then you will have to make a decision. Regardless of how this poll goes. That's why you guys get paid that fat mod paycheck .

I'm not for censorship, but I'm not for obscenity either. Let the majority rule in this instance and let's hope good judgement prevails after the polls have closed.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:43 PM
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I'm more upset I never got issued the "mouse" JJ alluded to then some scantily glad gal. So let the non pornographic, non demeaning pictures stay. I'm a big enough adult to decide whether or not I choose to view said pictures.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:46 PM
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I'm more upset I never got issued the "mouse" JJ alluded to then some scantily glad gal. So let the non pornographic, non demeaning pictures stay. I'm a big enough adult to decide whether or not I choose to view said pictures.
Just to clarify again: This is not a decision about whether these pictures should be allowed on the site, its about whether they should be in one place marked NSFW for those who do not want to see them. Please vote accordingly

We will not be making decisions about whats demeaning or not. Are any of the pictures referenced above demeaning VP?

Also, in reference to "choosing" whether to view them, that is precisely what this thread is about, choice. If the pictures are embedded in any place on the forum, it is impossible to "choose" whether to see them or not unless you avoid the forum in its entirety. I have seen this thread work great in other places.

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I don't find them demeaning personally, others may feel differently and i understand that. Voted.
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Poor question. There should be a third option asking if these types of pictures should be allowed on the site at all.

Picture of half naked ladies is what S2KI are for.
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Poor question. There should be a third option asking if these types of pictures should be allowed on the site at all.

Picture of half naked ladies is what S2KI are for.
It is done.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:42 PM
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Picture of half naked ladies is what S2KI are for.
Funny you should say that since I have been on that site a lot recently and I haven't seen any pictures like that. They have a thread for those types of pictures and I don't go to that thread. Unfortunately there is no option for that here and so pics are often posted in extreme amounts within threads that one would never expect to see them in based on the thread titles.

Again, to those who may have missed this or misunderstood. What the survey is asking is NOT only if pictures should be allowed, it is if they should be limited to a specific area so that those who have valuable contributions to make can do so without being forced to weed through content they find objectionable.

I already know of at least one person whose contributions you have been missing out on because one of his threads got dumped on with pics completely unrelated to his post. And believe me when I tell you that if he doesn't ever come back you will ruin it for all of us who support what he is doing for the s2000 community as a whole.

If you want to encourage people to turn the site into a location for lightweight ****, go ahead. But there are longer term affects to doing that which you aren't considering. If your immediate gratification and the need to pepper every thread with pics designed to give you a hard-on is more important to you, then choose the first button and vote to keep things as they are. If you value the long term life of the site, care about preserving and adding to a repository of valuable information and can be reasonable enough to confine the explicit photos to a designated area, then select the second button and vote to put suggestive pics in a designated area. If you feel all suggestive pics should be disallowed completely, then choose the third button and ban them outright.

It's totally up to you what you choose, but keep in mind that it impacts more than just you or me. It impacts a lot of people, some of whom you have not met yet and maybe never will.
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Can we start the poll over since there was not a third option when I voted?
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point View Post
Can we start the poll over since there was not a third option when I voted?
I would rather not start the poll over since we already have a lot of votes in the system.

To anyone who voted before option 3 was available, please say what you voted and what you would like to change your vote to.

If it comes down to it we can do the poll again but I don't want anyone who voted already to be discounted by starting over.

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Perhaps they can pm you if they prefer not to say openly?
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Perhaps they can pm you if they prefer not to say openly?
A PM to the moderator team would be acceptable.
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If it's only one person posting said pictures, can't we just use the "ignore" button?? Isn't that why it's there??
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S'funny, I get as much a "hard-on" from seeing some of the pics from beeb, et al, as I do from seeing pics of cars on this site. Which is to say, hardly.

An internet forum as a repository for valuable information? Well, most everything I read on the i-net, I take with a grain of salt. I'm here to help pass the day and because my boss doesn't know I'm here.

I will say this, however, in the interest of keeping people on this site, I think it's a good idea if people who start a thread with a "picture" add NSFW in the thread title. If someone peppers someone else's thread with "pictures", then they should face the wrath of the thread starter (or not, if the thread starter doesn't mind). I think it's been discussed in previous threads how to use the "ignore" button, so no need to bring that up again.

I think we're all adults here, if something in a thread bothers someone, handle it in an adult manner. But a poll has been started, let's see where it goes (if enough people care, that is).
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If it's only one person posting said pictures, can't we just use the "ignore" button?? Isn't that why it's there??
If it were just one person, which I am not certain that it is, the ignore button would be a good option, but the problem is, that anyone who "quotes" the person who posted the picture, still shows the picture in their post so it isn't 100% effective.

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I will say this, however, in the interest of keeping people on this site, I think it's a good idea if people who start a thread with a "picture" add NSFW in the thread title. If someone peppers someone else's thread with "pictures", then they should face the wrath of the thread starter (or not, if the thread starter doesn't mind). I think it's been discussed in previous threads how to use the "ignore" button, so no need to bring that up again.
I like the way you think Glenn. Your point rings very true, there is a middle ground where we start such a thread but don't make it a hard and fast rule that pictures can't exist elsewhere unless a threadstarter has a problem with it.

The only potential issue I see there, is that there are many threads that have gone way beyond belonging just to the "threadstarter" for example the "word association thread" and the "hater thread". Again, its a question of where to draw the line. Keep the comments coming, this is all valuable information.
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Ah-h-h . . politicin'. 'Jus' knew'diss place wuzz missin' some@*#&in'thing.
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Ah-h-h . . power-trips'n politics. 'Jus' knew'diss place wuzz missin' somethin'.
It was your idea to put it to a vote. I like the idea of putting it to the membership, takes a lot of weight off our shoulders ya know? I can certainly live with whatever they decide, can you?

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If it's only one person posting said pictures, can't we just use the "ignore" button?? Isn't that why it's there??
1) If it was only one person, that would work for that individual user. However, it isn't just one poster who is posting polarizing content. So that kills that idea.

2) If reason one isn't enough for why it doesn't work, consider that when the "ignored" poster gets quoted by another poster who isn't ignored, all the quoted content gets displayed. So one would have to ignore all posters. Not effective in a real world scenario.

3) And how does ignore help the new posters who show up posting useful information but who get immediately bombarded with the objectionable material? They either won't post at all because the site appears to be more about lightweight pornographic material than about s2000s, or they post once, get dumped on by pics, and leave. I'm not making this up. This actually happened. And that's just one I happen to know about. How many others might there be that just quietly leave and say nothing to anyone?

And regarding Glenn's comment questioning this being a repository of information. It is and that is the reason everyone says use the search. The primary purpose of this site is to attract s2000 owners who share looking for information about and sharing experiences with other s2000 owners. You yourself have both asked and answered many questions about the car. You came to a drive that I organized because of this site. It's s2000.com, not hot-bod- models-all-day-all-the-time.com.

Again, the point isn't a need to ban them outright, but to have it such that people who come here, both new and long-time members, do not have to slog through pictures (many of which are denigrating and objectify women) so they can actually get to the content that the site is supposed to be about.

If, the first time I came here looking for information about how to disable the speed sensor mechanism on my S's top, I ran across pics like the ones above in 80% of the threads here, I would have had a very different impression of the site and just left. And maybe some bad things that I've experienced since would have been skipped, but you would not have the EOM Drives and you wouldn't have any of what I've contributed. But it wasn't like that back then so I stayed. Why make this place what you all used to think was what s2ki was?
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Pornography is the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexual gratification.

you kaliifornicators is extremely small minded and prudish. perhaps pictures of this nature should be kept to a single thread so people don't get in trouble at work or all het up over the soft p o r n. that is such a joke--soft p o r n. all of these women are appropriately clothed in beach or lake wear. nothing is graphic or sexual in nature.

some of the epistles i see posted here in ref to this mundane subject signify to me that there are some members around with just too much time on their hands. it is amazing what one can stir up with the smallest spoon. i am glad that there is not a real crisis facing some of you guys. i would suggest that you don't get your panties in a wad; or vice versa.

perhaps you would prefer something more explicit?

































da murph returning to her car after the pit stop on the eom drive showing just the tiniest bit of ankle.

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Give me a break, if you don't like it don't look at it. If you 're easily offended, the internet and (especially) forums are not for you.

I'm really not sure what the point of all this is. If this site just turns into a bunch of threads trying to be witty with naked pictures I'll just stop coming here. I can find that a lot easier outside of this forum. If the argument here is "if everyone starts being boring I'll stop coming here" I second that. But you can make that decision for yourself. In reality its threads like this that need to be banned from this site. This site has become a gathering for conversations like this one. If you put a poll up to ban meaningless ethical conversations about this site I would sign it in a minute.

If I were to post something like this, typically, I would get "If you dont like it then leave", but now we're super scared of offending people? This is all total bullshit. Just block this thread and pretend like it never happened.

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I'm really not sure what the point of all this is. If this site just turns into a bunch of threads trying to be witty with naked pictures I'll just stop coming here.
Thats exactly the point of this thread 0Tylrael. If we leave this site unchecked you and everyone else who contributes will just stop coming here.

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Oh man, break out the internet ****'s......there are NAKED women on the web?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget this place I'm off to find real ****!
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I wanted to read every post in the thread but got stuck on the pics



I voted no.
The reason for me going with no and leaving things as they are is not because I disregard a persons moral opinion. We are not children (although we do act like it at times) I am 100% positive that every member here has seen things more graphic up close and personal vs what you may find posted here.
IMO if the pics of the woman posted above are offensive and really bothering you then I think you need to shut the computer down and give it away because you're to sensitive for internet use. Censorship of content that is on store shelves in plain view for all to see is childish. I'm not exactly sure if there is a rule against nude pics here on this site but I do not need to know, this is not a **** site and I have a moral obligation to respect other members and that does not need rules.
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My .02 cents, as long as it isn't outright nudity/softcore ****, I'm fine with it. Cars and pretty/scantily clad women seem to go hand in hand. Always has, always will.
i agree. there have been posts on here before about a car show at hooters with the waitresses doing a car wash, photo shoots of models posing with cars (posted by female members), other females members who were posing with their s2k's, etc. most members who have posted questionable material have had the courtesy to put NSFW in the title thread. and that's probably where i'd keep it.

correct me if i'm wrong but i believe the moderators have to read every post of every thread. i think putting all questionable material into a single thread is impossible because then it would just be a **** thread. so if the mods are going through the posts and it starts taking a NSFW turn, then the mods can just add NSFW to the thread title and those who wish can view and those who do not can pass.

personally this forum has been extremely helpful to me. i started off as a total noob and from posting here and getting feedback, i learned how to heel-toe, not to skip shift, proper maintenance, and tons of other useful things that have helped me become less noob-ish. i'm dismayed that those conversations have happened here less frequently and would like to see more of these type of discussions come back. if some of the aforementioned material has driven away some of the more automotive motivated members, then of course i would like them to come back and a simple label system would suffice.

i also belong to two toyota 4runner forums, and there are never any scantily clad female pictures there, it's all automotive discussion. it's very informative, lot of great discussion, and very encouraging. ppl post tons of pics of their rigs, and the only pics of girls in bikini's are those taken with the 4runner at the beach or at the lake. it's great but a lot less character. i HAVE met several members here, made some friends, had discussions with several more via e-mail and fb. i feel this site has more personality and wouldn't want to see that dissipate. after i bought my wrx, i looked to join some wrx forums and they're all junk, i was unable to find a single decent one to join and participate in.

so yah wouldn't want people to feel limited here 'cause i don't think that's our place, but i agree with murph though in that for the future of our forum, we should have some labeling system just to distinguish what's nsfw and what's more automotive inclined.
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I voted 1. As i believe option 2. is a silly option because i do not believe anyone on this site is here to look at or get aroused by pictures of semi clad women (there are many other sites for that) so it should not get its own place.
however i do not believe pictures of women in bikinis ect. should be removed completely, i think users should be given warnings if it is out of line or contributing nothing but a hinderance to a otherwise informationally useful thread. there are some joke threads where these may not interfere with information searches
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320 views and 29 votes. So which is it, a non issue or has everyone already been scared off the site.
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I personally would like to see them in one spot. Voted.
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Non-issue for most VP.
Now, if folks don't think it a topic worth voting on . . it's certainly not voting . . . . but wouldn't you say that it shows the whole thing to be of concern to a very minor number of the membership?
'Like I said, it's the tail trying to wag the dog.
29 votes?
Does "mountain out of a molehill" get the idea across?
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Yes, I think it's a tempest in a tea pot signifying nothing. I voted no. It doesn't bother me, as JJ said they are suitably garbed.
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Thanks for the participation guys. Keep it up! Let's here from some of you that haven't posted.
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