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Old 05-09-2016, 07:32 PM   #1
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Down in flames!

To any old timers still aboard. Sad news tonight. The flying banana lives no more. We were awakened at 2AMish by a couple of rescued dogs, only to find the garage ablaze with the car in the middle of it all. The dogs may have saved our lives but it was too late for the banana.

Been looking for another S. Prices are going up as one by one they cease to exist.

That's all for now
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Holy ****, Phil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line: glad you are okay, the car can be replaced.


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glad you are ok phil. narrow escape? terrible news about the banana. it was only a car--yes, i know how you feel about it, but...there are still some out there and some other choices too. there is nothing like an S.
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This! Glad it was just the car and the garage. Any idea on how it started??
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Holy crap!! Glad everyone is ok.
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Sorry you're so far away, Phil. I'm selling an 05 Berlina for a friend. The car has only 53k miles, OEM spoiler and wing, black on black, always serviced by Honda, new brakes and tires and only driven in the summer. He wants $18.5k for it. I 'm gong to post some pictures and do a For Sale but I'll wait for a day or two..
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Where is the car? Please send pictures to [email protected]
Dunno if I want another black car, they show every bit of dust etc. I've had a few. They do look nice when clean though.

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Wow, Phil. I'm really sorry to hear this! Like the others have said, it's only a car and it can be replaced. Just glad you're OK.
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Where is the car? Please send pictures to [email protected]
Dunno if I want another black car, they show every bit of dust etc. I've had a few. They do look nice when clean though.

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Car is in DC. I'll forward the pix to you. I'm really glad you're okay.
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Sorry to hear, Phil, hope you get a generous settlement from insurance.
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That sucks about ur garage and S. Glad you and yours are ok.- Pics or it never happened -
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Hey Phil hate to nit-pick at such a delicate time but shouldn't your post have said, "up in flames" ?????
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Wow, terrible loss. I can't imagine how you felt when you saw what was going down.
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Wow, I just came across this; I really am sorry but you are very fortunate this conflagration did not take the rest of the house with it. I can only imagine how you feel.
Fire could have started from rechargers for tool batteries, gas fume propagation ignition from water heaters to a runaway iPad/notebook.
My old 94 Ford TBird has an issue with the key lock overheating, igniting, and burning down garages. I now store it outside.

If you get the car from DC, don't think of it as black; consider it Navy Blue.
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Glad to here your looking going to get another S2K
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Hey Phil hate to nit-pick at such a delicate time but shouldn't your post have said, "up in flames" ?????
Flying bananas can only go down!
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Sorry to hear that - glad you're ok.
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Glad to here your looking going to get another S2K
The car was my therapy. Much cheaper than a shrink. I've driven a whole bunch of vehicles but this is the only one I don't drive. I wear it! I'll be 83 july and I still rock Mulholland, said to be one of the 10 most dangerous drives in the country.
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Glad you're ok Phil!

Chaz, when are you going to get another S?
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Good news! My daughter found a 2000 with low miles at a decent price. I bought it. It's up north in the bay area so now I have to figure out the logistics. It's not yellow, so I may call it Quicksliver.

A few pictures of the fire damage.
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I should mention that we're just across the 101 freeway from Calabasas. So still more fire to taunt us. I think they're preparing me for Hell! Luckily the wind was blowing the other way.

Thanks everyone for the good wishes.
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Those pics are painful to look at. Good luck with the new S!
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Those pics are painful to look at. Good luck with the new S!
Thanks Switch. Maybe I'll get in the Guinness book as the
oldest S2000 driver. 83 next month. It's what keeps me from
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Sorry to hear of all this Phil, so glad you are ok! .. Did the fire start under the hood of the banana?
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Sorry to hear of all this Phil, so glad you are ok! .. Did the fire start under the hood of the banana?
Don't know where it started. The whole garage was aflame when we
discovered it. The inspector and firemen thought it started in the car door but I don't think so. I've never heard of an S catching fire. I had a fluorescent light over the car and I suspect the ballast went bad, dripped flaming plastic on the car and the hits just kept on coming. Everything plastic in the garage melted. With all the flammable liquids, oil, wax etc, plus a tank of gas in the car, it's amazing that it wasn't worse.

Bottom line is, I'll let the insurance companies draw their own conclusion.
Simpler that way.
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By the way, the car hadn't been driven for four days so it was cold.
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COOL! Phil you got another S2000. I hear you about the price of used ones. I have been looking around and either the car is trashed or your giving your first born for it. Every time I think of selling mine I want to get sick.
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COOL! Phil you got another S2000. I hear you about the price of used ones. I have been looking around and either the car is trashed or your giving your first born for it. Every time I think of selling mine I want to get sick.
People are starting to learn what a great car the S is. My Dr. has a Porsche 966 turbo and is always having problems, expensive ones. I did some research and I'll stay with Honda. There's a TV show "Wheeler Dealers" where they find a specific car, restore it and sell it for a profit. They did an S2000 and called it bullet proof. There are a lot of them with more than 150K miles for sale. And not cheap. Maybe if the rainy season gets here there might be more for sale.

I wasn't looking for model year 2000 because of the plastic window but a garage queen with 20,000 mi. at a fair price was too good to pass up. I don't have the top up much anyway and some 303 will protect it.
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It is interesting you think the fire started with the overhead light ballast. It is possible. Was the light on? It does look like the fire was just in the pax compartment and if the background in the pic is your garage; you were darn lucky.

Did you have anything with lithium batteries charging (or not) in the car or in the garage? I have been hearing a number of fires are started from phones and battery chargers/batt packs from drills and other tools.

I have (had) a number of fluorescent fixtures that were starting to go after 20 years. Replaced a number of ballasts but still had issues. I replaced them all with the LED Costco stoplights. Found I could put them inside the existing hard fixture so you could not tell the difference except for the instant on and much better light. Some of the ballasts I pulled were pretty ugly.

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Cos you mentioning the lithium battery issue reminds me that way too often I slap a Dewalt 18v battery into a charger and just leave it overnight. Not sure about the Navy but our maintenance sections never stored flammable liquids, paints, solvents inside, they always had metal storage cabinets outside, away from the hangars. Had been thinking about getting a plastic cabinet to put our away from the shop for flammables, may build in a charging station to it...........
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No Lithium. The battery was melted down and there was extensive damage under the bonnet. Possible short from the battery?

The banana is dead! Behold the Silver Streak!

My daughter's husband spotted this in San Jose, CA. A garage queen with 28,000 mi on the clock. I called the guy and we chatted a bit. A little research showed he was legit. His wife wanted a convertible. He drove a BMW and a Boxter and decided the S was a much better ride. And a better value. But we knew that, didn't we? He told me he had a host of calls offering full price but decided to sell to me after I told him my tale of woe. I think the sobbing helped.
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I became aware of the lithium battery issue years ago as they became part of the radio control (airplane) hardware. Lots of fire issues surfaced, passed usually word of mouth or in trade magazines on the hobby. It was such a common problem that the widespread practice of placing battery packs in fire proof containers and/or outside was de rigueur. A li-ion pack that was subjected to an impact, over drain, over charge, or short cell was often found in flames shortly afterwards. Batteries would ignite in the trunk for the drive home after a crash.
I personally use metal ammo cans for storage and transportation. I place charging batteries on fireproof surfaces (stainless movable table) with nothing flammable above. I always stay in the area or go away for short periods only.

From the airline perspective, I have seen a video of a pallet of batteries ignite after a "poke" from a forklift damaged a few. It was about to be loaded on an aircraft. Nasty fire. Airlines (cargo and passenger) adopted internal protocols to limit carried batteries. An (unnamed-USA company in Middle East) 747-400 cargo plane had a lithium fire and crashed killing both pilots.

The Malaysian 777 that went missing had a very large (prohibited on US planes) shipment of those particularly inciderary batteries.

Last year, on the other S forum, a member posted pictures of his destroyed garage/shop and 2 cars, one the S, that started from a drill battery recharger malfunction. It was left plugged in and unmonitored.

I force myself to only charge when I am there and leave something out to remind me to check it and secure it when done.

Lots of overheat issues with laptops. I know of cases when a pilot's laptop (used for navigation-airline issued-Microsoft) overheated and started to burn (a/c on the ground); it was literally thrown out the window.
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The banana is dead! Behold the Silver Streak!
He told me he had a host of calls offering full price but decided to sell to me after I told him my tale of woe. I think the sobbing helped.
I posted just after you did. Really glad you have a happy ending. Nice car.

Interesting the lead acid battery had a short.
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PS: Flew up to San Jose and drove back, about 350mi. It even has a 6 disk CD player in the boot. I didn't know Honda even sold theml.
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I posted just after you did. Really glad you have a happy ending. Nice car.

Interesting the lead acid battery had a short.
That's just speculation. I have heard of them blowing up from
being over heated. The lead can flake off and short the plates.

Anyone know a way to clean the plastic rear window?
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Thanks cos! I'll do a little research. Didn't know there was so much out there.

I prefer top down but can't take heat like I once did. When it goes over 90, the top goes up.
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Nice Phil, good job on the sobbing too, for future reference works well with cops too.
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Nice Phil, good job on the sobbing too, for future reference works well with cops too.
My son was pulled over for speeding, semi-rural area. He mentioned to the cop he did have something for him and he pulled out a real "Get out of jail free" card from a Monopoly game. The cop cracked up so much and said he had never seen that before so he let him off!
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