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Replacement for the NSX

Old 11-23-2010, 03:51 PM
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Replacement for the NSX

From Motortrend, looks like the NSX replacement is back online. Hope the link works.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...ife/index.html
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:07 PM
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BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA! They're going to make a front wheel drive 4 cyl hybrid version! This is going to be a GREAT thread!
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I hope they do something in the sports car direction, Hybrids and EV are coming out of the wood work!
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:24 PM
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I seriously think that Honda has lost it's collective mind. After all of that development work on the 500+ hp V10...

This is the wrong way to give enthusiasts a good attitude about hybrids!
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:39 PM
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Here we go again. As I have said in EVERY NSX thread the past four years..... I will believe it when I see it in the showroom.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:00 PM
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^^
I just said that same thing to myself
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:22 PM
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Booo. You guys are a disappointment. I can't wait all the way until Honda releases this thing to get a reaction out of you.
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:46 PM
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I am just waiting to see what honda have to offer with the new s2000.
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:54 PM
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Here we go again. As I have said in EVERY NSX thread the past four years..... I will believe it when I see it in the showroom.
Development may be further along than we know. Honda has alway been secretive with new products.

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I am just waiting to see what honda have to offer with the new s2000.
New S2000? Where did you get that information from?
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:04 PM
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Apparently, the RX-7 is coming back too. (Like, it really is). I think even Mazda has said so.

Even as it is......I'll believe it when I see it. And they better not butcher the car's good name!
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:09 PM
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They dont have a new s2000 in the line of making. But they are only making concepts right now. I am just waiting for the announcement of a new s2000 in the line of making or something.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:19 AM
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As far as im concerned I wont be able to afford it any time soon. I wont be able to drive it any time soon. They probably wont make one any time soon. I would be much more interested in a car in the 40K price range.
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Apparently, the RX-7 is coming back too. (Like, it really is). I think even Mazda has said so.

Even as it is......I'll believe it when I see it. And they better not butcher the car's good name!

rx-7 is one of my all time fav.s I almost cried when they came out with the rx-8I pray its respectable the fd is still on my list of "will surely buy 1 eventually".

and on the nsx thang....accord plat......really I know its gonna cut prod. costs but for a car with such lineage I would of hoped for a 1 of .
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:21 AM
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Whats wrong with the RX-8? I considered it against the s2K back when I was looking.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:33 AM
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Car looks sweet. Let's see if they actually come out with it.
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Originally Posted by backusstudio View Post
BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA! They're going to make a front wheel drive 4 cyl hybrid version! This is going to be a GREAT thread!
Actually, they're going to flip the chassis and make a mid to rear engined NSX with a hybrid V6.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:21 AM
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As long as its not a FWD I guess that's not sooo bad. But it's going to be Awd?? SH-AWD is good(my dads TL has it) but I feel like AWD will make it less fun and heavier.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kgf3076 View Post
Actually, they're going to flip the chassis and make a mid to rear engined NSX with a hybrid V6.
Well damn, you're right. I saw "front wheel drive Accord platform" and assumed the worst.

It might actually not be as terrible as MT makes it sound. If Honda used a "400 hp V6" and added another 100 hp electric boost it could be a monster sports/street car. I can't imagine that the 4 cyl is even on the table.

It would be nice if Honda/Acura also made the 3.4L V8 from the SuperGT car available for the purists.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:09 AM
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Sounds good to me...

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Engineers will swap the front and rear around to create a rear midship AWD package.
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Whats wrong with the RX-8? I considered it against the s2K back when I was looking.
hopefully I dont offend but I find it to be one of the most "chick cars" ever its fairly ugly,gutless and drives like an alluminium can that can take a corner at decent speeds also compared to the rx-7 [which is super car territory imo] its a watered down joke. ive an aquaintance who called me and said wait till u see what I pull up in.......I felt a little bad when he pulled up and me + several co-workers laughed our asses off, I think he has since sold the car.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:20 AM
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The best way for Honda to make this an AWD hybrid is to use the 400 hp V6 to power 4 200 hp traction motors, one for each wheel. With drive by wire and traction control this would probably be the quickest car in the world up to 120 or so. If Honda really wanted to make an engineering statement that would do it.
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Originally Posted by backusstudio View Post
The best way for Honda to make this an AWD hybrid is to use the 400 hp V6 to power 4 200 hp traction motors, one for each wheel. With drive by wire and traction control this would probably be the quickest car in the world up to 120 or so. If Honda really wanted to make an engineering statement that would do it.
What statement would that make?

"look we made an overweight beast that goes 0-120 like nobodys business but it handles like crap"

Its been done:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

I am hoping they want to make a world-class sports car that can handle not an engineering statement.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:16 AM
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When you consider that the 14,000 rpm, 288 hp motor in the Tesla Sport Roadster weighs less than 70 lbs it doesn't follow that 4 wheel electric drive has to be overweight. Since no transmission is needed the weight of the motors is offset by no transmission weight. So we're just talking battery weight. Use better batteries, forget plug in range and that's probably around +200 lbs. I'm not sure what regular AWD adds to a vehicle but I'll bet it's in that ballpark.

AWD could be made to handle great. Add yaw sensors to the same system that controls the traction control and the balance of the car could be adjusted in corners by all four drive motors. Would this be a driver's car like the S2K? No. Would rich people that can't drive want it? Yes.
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I would never own one, but...I don't mind the RX-8 so much. It just bothers me that Mazda could've done somuch better with the thing. They built a car with a great chassis, and a small but capable motor, and then goofed it all up with an extra pair of doors & seats. ????! It weighs about 3,000 lbs as it is. If they'd designed it as a 2 seater, they'd have a shorter wheelbased, 2,800lb real sportscar....and Honda would've sold quite a few less S2000s. I guess with the Miata already there, that option just never made sense. I just can't imagine many people buy an RX-8 simply because it has 4 seats.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:43 AM
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Backstudio, you forgot the weight of the 400hp gas engine. Also, the Tesla Roadster has amazing performance with only 1 electric motor because of its light weight. Perhaps we can switch to a 2 motor scenario and drop the v6 engine

I think your comment is spot on about rich people who cant drive buying that dream NSX.

I would rather buy a GT-R.
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Backstudio, you forgot the weight of the 400hp gas engine. Also, the Tesla Roadster has amazing performance with only 1 electric motor because of its light weight. Perhaps we can switch to a 2 motor scenario and drop the v6 engine

I think your comment is spot on about rich people who cant drive buying that dream NSX.

I would rather buy a GT-R.
isnt the tesla packed full of high tech lithium battery's? I would imagine that tech. comes at a high premium and as the seem to want to cut costs[frankensteinin the accord chassis] it would probly bump it into a whole new price range...I guess it would end up being similar to pricing on the nsx we know and love.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Marioshi View Post
Backstudio, you forgot the weight of the 400hp gas engine. Also, the Tesla Roadster has amazing performance with only 1 electric motor because of its light weight. Perhaps we can switch to a 2 motor scenario and drop the v6 engine

I think your comment is spot on about rich people who cant drive buying that dream NSX.

I would rather buy a GT-R.
I remembered the gas engine. My point was that there would be weight (not to mention expense/complexity/maintenance) savings with no transmission or transfer case.

I personally hate all of the gizmos that help talentless people drive way beyond their ability. It's like having paraplegics with bionic legs in track events. But the talentless people with money love them and the Japanese love to engineer and sell them so I'd say they're here to stay.

If the Tesla Roadster cost 1/3 as much I'd own one.
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Just for fun, couple of links to watch the racing version in action. Looks like this "new" one is styled like the Audi, but the reality is the market for a luxury sport coupe is greater than for a pure sports car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebEMJy4cznQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ7p6avK3K8
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isnt the tesla packed full of high tech lithium battery's? I would imagine that tech. comes at a high premium
The battery pack in the Tesla is worth around $40k in today's battery market. It also allows for all electric operation for 200+ miles. A hybrid with a gas engine to extend range would need half as much battery, or less if no plug in range is wanted.

The whole point of the hybrid range extenders is that the gas engine costs less than batteries today. Plus you don't need recharge time. Otherwise you'd be better off with just batteries.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:32 PM
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O to hell with all the hybrid nonsense. Its too expensive and a waste. I say just put out a car with an engine based on the F20c (or F22) with two more cylenders. Could be a high strung 3.0 inline six. Personally I think that would be awesome if they kept that amazing 120bhp per liter it could be 360bhp.

I dont know why everyone wants some psyho expensive supercar. Almost non of us would be able to afford it. I would rather see something like the S2000 available.
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O to hell with all the hybrid nonsense. Its too expensive and a waste.
0-t-0 your grandkids will be trying to figure out how to get more voltage to their car's electric motors to hot rod them. You'll be on the porch in your rocker yelling "O to hell with all the hybrid nonsense. Its too expensive and a waste!"
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If they can figure out a reasonably priced way to quickly recapture and quickly rerelease the energy a hybrid makes a lot of sense for a track car. You need to absorb a lot of energy quickly that is normally lost to heat through the brakes, and rerelease that quickly for rapid acceleration out of the turn.

The problem is the rapid large fluctuations in the energy storage device. If you can recapture the majority of the energy during deceleration you don’t need a large heavy long range battery pack. Nor would you need a large battery pack for 0-60, a ¼ mile or a mile.

A hybrid sports car makes a lot of sense, but, it is definitely different technology from current hybrids.
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Check out the Porsche hybrid race car...
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:23 AM
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0-t-0 your grandkids will be trying to figure out how to get more voltage to their car's electric motors to hot rod them. You'll be on the porch in your rocker yelling "O to hell with all the hybrid nonsense. Its too expensive and a waste!"
Lol true. Although the electricity will probably be powered by hydrogen not gasoline by then. We can hope at least.
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If a hybrid system adds 100hp and 200 lbs of weight it's a pretty good performance bargain at 2 lbs/hp. Some of the hybrids coming out seem to add 15 hp and 400 lbs of weight. At almost 30 lbs/ hp it seems like they just want to be able to use "hybrid" in their advertising. "Hybrid" is the new "turbo".
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I am sorry. But I truely hate the Rx-8. They should have made it similar to the Rx-7 rather than giving it suicide doors. 2 doors only please.

And the stock rx8 front end is fugly! Unless you upgrade it, stock ones look like it got two lipkits.
They should have made something like this:


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Honda can keep this illustration. Give us the 562 hp V10 beast that was 99% production ready rather than this drawing of a cross between an Audi R-8 and an Enzo. FAIL.
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But I like my V4. Gas saver and still got the power packed inside.
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But I like my V4. Gas saver and still got the power packed inside.
v4? uhhhhhh v4's in s2k's (or any cars for that matter) are like unicorns or red heifers

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But I like my V4. Gas saver and still got the power packed inside.
V4?? C'mon now no car guy worth his salt calls an inline 4 a V4.
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