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Old 06-05-2008, 03:56 PM
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Heel & Toe

I find that the brake and throttle pedals are too far apart of easy heel and toe-ing. Has anyone worked a good solution to this problem?
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Old 06-05-2008, 04:37 PM
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Got some recent threadz/postz on this topic Sil.
'Might behoove'ya ta check'em out.
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Old 06-05-2008, 04:47 PM
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I've seen worse pedal configurations that still allowed for proper footwork.......practice,practice,practice....

did I mention practice helps?


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Old 06-05-2008, 07:04 PM
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Huh?! The pedal positions are perfect for heel and toe!
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:23 PM
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I dont do it, but i have seen it done on video really nice.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:26 PM
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whats is the purpose supposed to be? i have heard of it but i dont understand
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:29 PM
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Its better on the transmission to ease into gear when the tranny's rpm's match the engines rpm's. Plus its cool and good for racing. Less stress on your clutch and flywheel.
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Old 06-07-2008, 05:15 AM
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If Dez says it's cool, that's good enough for me.

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Old 06-09-2008, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jagg View Post
If Dez says it's cool, that's good enough for me.

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Ha-Ha. Jagg you crack me up!
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Old 06-09-2008, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver Fox View Post
I find that the brake and throttle pedals are too far apart of easy heel and toe-ing. Has anyone worked a good solution to this problem?
I've had good success wearing ice skates. Some people prefer clown shoes.

(If you do check the older threads as you should, you'll find that this was a re-issue of a joke that was kinda lame to begin with. Sorry, I have trouble containing myself sometimes).
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:04 AM
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http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...2/article.html

This article explains it better than I could.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:18 AM
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That was a good article controller......well worth readiing and informative.


gooooooood stuuuuufffffff.

I'm a heel and toer, in case you guys didn't know.


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Old 06-09-2008, 08:38 AM
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Edmonds article

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http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...2/article.html

This article explains it better than I could.
EXCELLENT article. The photo of Position 4 is my complaint - my brake and throttle pedals are too far apart to allow me to span them both. I am wondering if anyone has added an extension to the throttle to make the span possible.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:13 AM
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....my brake and throttle pedals are too far apart to allow me to span them both.
Keep the ball of your foot on the brake and rotate your foot counterclockwise to get your heel on the throttle. It feels a little awkward at first but you'll get better with practice.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:16 AM
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Good point Don.....This is how I do it also.

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Old 06-09-2008, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJSR View Post
Keep the ball of your foot on the brake and rotate your foot counterclockwise to get your heel on the throttle. It feels a little awkward at first but you'll get better with practice.

That's how I have to do it. I have more confidence with my toe on the brake (since that is the more important of the two pedals) than my heal. If I mess up with the heal, no biggy if it is on the throttle. HUGE biggy if it is on the brake and I mess up.
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Old 06-09-2008, 01:57 PM
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Watch the vid. This vid is from the other thread. It's easy once you know it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XKaNYwer9J4
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Agreed with the above posts. I would deviate from the article by using an actual "heel-toe" which is toe on the brake and heel blipping the throttle.
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Old 06-09-2008, 03:30 PM
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I was taught to roll over on the throttle, but my feet aren't big enough to do it in most everything I've driven.......

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Old 06-09-2008, 04:32 PM
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Jagg, din'cha have a vid'uv yerrown regardin' the heel'n toe method'a liddle engine whut could?
Let's go'da the video tape pal. (Lord knowz between'att'un'n yer Hank Williamz music video, I've spent near'z much time in the cockpit'a Sunny'z you have)
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Old 06-09-2008, 04:38 PM
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I pondered posting my heel 'n toe video, but I didn't want folks to be thinkin' I'm chasing J'sS2k around.

Besides, I'm not sure if I'm doin' it right,(a hearty laugh from the lad!!) and I didn't want to lead Silver in the wrong direction.....I know what works for my cloven hooves, and to each his own.

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(If you could only see my footwork in the Hank vid......I'm certain that it's spot on.......).......Edit...All right, I know I'm braggin' 'n it's just wrong. Apologies.

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Old 06-09-2008, 05:49 PM
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First sports car I ever drove was an 52 MG TD. The pedals were so small that I heeled, Toed, and pushed the clutch in with one foot.

Some here may have missed the part about shifting before the curve. Not during. When I took the Army truck driving license exam, that was the only derog I got.
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Very Interesting!
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:33 PM
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Why?

The article mentions mentions the smoothness and lack of jerkiness on the clutch/drivetrain , all true.

The real reason is that when you are driving at the limits of adhesion, whether if be under braking or while turning the balance of the car is critical to managing the contact patches and maximizing grip. Any jerkiness introduced at that point is a problem.

On a track, the smoother you can shift the quicker you can be.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:47 PM
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On a track, the smoother you can shift the quicker you can be.

and knowing your entrance and exit per corner ain't bad either...
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Originally Posted by gerry100 View Post
... Any jerkiness introduced at that point is a problem. ...
Seems to me that this applies almost generically to most in life.

Jerkiness=Bad
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Unless you're doin' "the robot", then it's all good.
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Now, datt'z jus' ubergross Jaggster.
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A while back, someone posted a video of a Honda test driver driving an early production s2k at Nurburgring. If memory serves, there was an insert showing heel and toeing when going around corners.
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A while back, someone posted a video of a Honda test driver driving an early production s2k at Nurburgring. If memory serves, there was an insert showing heel and toeing when going around corners.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5404894830688#
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Old 07-13-2010, 01:09 AM
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just watch some "GT channel" on youtube their always showing heal toe in s2k
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Just one factor

Jagg-

Of course smooth downshifting is only one of the factors that contribute to quickness on the track - smooth braking,a good line,judging entry speeds, smooth brake throttle transition etc and others all contribute.

Really good track drivers do all of these things well.
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Of course smooth downshifting is only one of the factors that contribute to quickness on the track - smooth braking,a good line,judging entry speeds, smooth brake throttle transition etc and others all contribute.

Really good track drivers do all of these things well.
yah what impressed me about that prev. video of the s2k prototype was how he was able to keep his rpm's above 7k pretty much the entire time. no bad shifts, taking good lines, and really just staying nice and relaxed.
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Yeah the prototype test driver was excellent.

One of the reasons the poor guy has that job.
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After my first spring drive in my s2k I noticed how much harder "rev matching" (aka Heel and toe, my self I roll my foot) is than in my 2011 Jetta TDI.

The Jetta is so easy because of the pedal spacing.

Any after market sources for a slightly wider gas pedal?
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gerry, try wearing flip flops...works great!
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Correct me iff I'm wrong . . but . . heel'n toe ain't aka "rev-matchin".
'Diff'rent critterz.
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[QUOTE=gerry100;

Any after market sources for a slightly wider gas pedal?[/QUOTE]



What your looking for is a pedal with a little wider shoulder, OMP has some that might fit the bill.

http://www.ompamerica.com/outlet/pedals/
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By way of example. I heel-toe all downshifts regardless of where I'm driving. Been doing that for 50 years.

I burnt out a pilot bearing caused by a propeller shaft failure when I was pushing 9.3 psi on an CTSC. I decided that after 62K miles and 20 track days that I'd install all new stuff along with the pilot and shaft. So, installed pilot, refaced flywheel, OEM disc, OEM release, OEM release guide, hanger, hanger spring, reverse switch and HD pressure plate. The clutch disk looked great.

After the job was done, I put a pair of calipers on the disc because it looked like it might be worth keeping. The Standard for a new disc is 8.2-8.9 mm. Mine measured just under 8.1 mm. That's what heel-toe and rev-matching will do for you.
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:59 PM
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i find it easy, pedals feel about right to me. although i try not to drive my car too hard. Ive been heel toeing or rev matching my cars for years, just a habit i cant break
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