What is the true cost of forced induction?

Old 09-02-2013, 04:33 AM
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What is the true cost of forced induction?

I currently own a Tacoma but have been thing about buying another S. The last one I owned happened to have a Greddy turbo kit installed when I bought it along with a well needed brake upgrade. I believe that it also had an upgraded clutch. I know that IF I do buy another S it won't be charged so I started to look at kits. I have to say I was a bit taken back by the prices (Side note: they seem to have gone up a bit for the S). Some kits start in the low 5k range but do not come with certain, necessary, parts. So a 5k kit can quickly cost a whole lot more, not to mention installation and tuning. To those on this site who have been through the process of installing a forced induction system I ask;

What was the complete cost of the build?

What were the unexpected costs associated it?

In the end was it worth it or should the money be better used in a different way?



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Old 09-02-2013, 05:06 AM
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If you are going FI, then strongly consider getting an AP2-2nd generation (MY2006-2009) with drive by wire for tuning purposes. I just spent a small fortune on installing a Hondata KPro on my MY04. Had I already not had so many modifications that were not readily "swapable" in my MY04, I'd have sold it and bought a MY09 and probably only have spent just a fraction more.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:42 AM
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Thanks for the info L8. The Hondata and AEM systems are very expensive and just add to the cost. Some "tuner kits" come with only simple hardware and the rest it up to you. I guess these types of kits are cheaper R&D for a business.
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I have been an owner now for almost 2 years and FI is now starting to get my interest, I will most likely go that route within a year. I have been spending some time reading here and on s2ki and I agree with L8 about the '06 up with kpro unfortunately I own a 2000 and dont plan on getting rid of it just yet. Ballpark #'s I have come up with for a new system plus the extras is around 7500 to 9k depending on the particular system and hp goal. I also looked into used systems and found that there really is not much savings although every now and then a deal does show up. I prefer supercharger (rotrex to be exact) but if your goals are in the extreme (600+ hp) then turbo and quite a bit more $$ will be needed.
When you get it all figured out I hope you post pics and more info for the rest of us looking to go this route.

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Old 09-02-2013, 11:57 AM
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Everything depends on your goals, turbo/supercharger and whether or not you are doing any work yourself. I would plan on 8-10K at least though. And, I would definitely listen to L8Apex so you can use FlashPro.

Heres a quick rundown of the basic estimate of my setup. Ive got more in it, but you get the idea

Sidwinder kit- 5000
Haltech PNP- 1400
Injectors + clips- 450-470
Fuel Pump- 160
Clutch- 415
Tune- 850
Catch can and lines- 200-400 (depends on setup)
Battery + Relocation- 200
Custom 3" stainless exhaust- 1000+
Vented hood- 700 (knock off- dont recommend, but needed something quick)
Gauges- 500

I did all my own labor except the clutch. If you have everything installed, I would estimate another $2000 or so in labor.

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Here's where I am at the moment. I am having the PP/Clutch/Flywheel done tomorrow at a good shop because I'm still healing from a hernia operation. Were it not for the hernia, I would have done the swap.

My car is a MY04.

$174........Aeromotive Fuel Pump
$480........1000 cc Injectors
$78...........PnP OBD2 Injector Clips
$1,900......Hondata KPro & Conversion Parts
$4,790......SC Kit w/Novi 1200 upgrade
$200.........Hondata Base Tune
$466.........ACT HD Pressure Plate
$290.........AP1 Flywheel
$125.........OEM Clutch disk
$500.........Labor Hondata Conversion
$500.........Labor PP/Clutch/Fly Install
$0.............Labor SC Kit Installation (Self)
$0.............Labor Aeromotive Installation (Self)
$9,503

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I didn't want to get crazy with the amount of horse power. I would be happy with 300-350 who, 400 would be my top. So even for those numbers clutch work would need to be done pushing the price up a few grand.

Man L8 that hondata is an SOB. I saw them on the science of speed web site. Insanely priced.
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Screw all that. Throw a 100 shot of nitrous in it and go have some fun. Much Much cheaper
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:36 PM
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I would stay away from nitrous, but thats my opinion. Its hard on engines and doesnt last long which drives the cost up having to refill all the time.

The new SOS turbo kit sounds like it would be right up your alley though if you have the money.
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Its not hard on engines. This guy has put 25 bottles at a 100 shot through his daily driven s2000 and not a single issue so far.
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:22 PM
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Ya the SOS supercharger caught my eye cause of the easy bolt on set up with no cutting, the turbo seems to be the same way but the kit requires more parts. Im about to visit the site again and do some more comparing.

As far as nitrous, I'll pass. Not a big fan of it and have heard that it is rough on the engine over time and if it is a option it should be used sparingly. If you know some one who has used 25 bottles at 100 shot each go on a daily driver then he might just use it to shoot off at red lights since he doesn't have FI. Thats not really what I'm going for
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he uses it on the track from 2nd gear to the finish. Boosting a car isn't cheap.
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Vtec_S2K View Post
he uses it on the track from 2nd gear to the finish. Boosting a car isn't cheap.
Oh ok. Ya Fi is very expensive. I feel so poor the more i look into how much modding cost. Around 10k for suspension and brakes and exhaust then another 10k for FI.

I was looking at the Evo's. might not be a bad idea now lol
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Its not hard on engines. This guy has put 25 bottles at a 100 shot through his daily driven s2000 and not a single issue so far.
Uh, yeah it is hard on engines. I suggest you do some proper research instead of basing your info off of "this guy that put 25 bottles through his daily." A properly plumbed direct port system is not as bad, but how many people do you see with one on their daily? Just because the car still runs doesn't mean its not at risk of blowing up at any time. Same can be said of any highly modded car regardless of the power adder.

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Oh ok. Ya Fi is very expensive. I feel so poor the more i look into how much modding cost. Around 10k for suspension and brakes and exhaust then another 10k for FI.

I was looking at the Evo's. might not be a bad idea now lol
FI is definitely expensive, but its super fun! Evo might be worth a look to though if the deep pockets for modding an S2K arent there. Good luck with whatever choice you make.
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I have done "proper research" you see those dumb "honda kids" blowing up their single cams or B16's because they try putting 200 shots on their motors that they put in using bubble gum and tape in their back yards. If nitrous is SOOOO bad how come people throw 300 shots into their V8's and run 7 second passes? A good set of rods and pistons and youll be fine. Everyone is so scared of nitrous. Stop watching movies and do it. It will be the most fun you will ever have. And on a super hot humid nasty day, when your turbo car is struggling to move because it cant cool the air, you tell me that $15,000 turbo set up was worth it.
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I have done "proper research" you see those dumb "honda kids" blowing up their single cams or B16's because they try putting 200 shots on their motors that they put in using bubble gum and tape in their back yards. If nitrous is SOOOO bad how come people throw 300 shots into their V8's and run 7 second passes? A good set of rods and pistons and youll be fine. Everyone is so scared of nitrous. Stop watching movies and do it. It will be the most fun you will ever have. And on a super hot humid nasty day, when your turbo car is struggling to move because it cant cool the air, you tell me that $15,000 turbo set up was worth it.
They actually sell a kit that will let you spray nos or co2 at the front of your intercooler to help cool down the air.

The people who have 300 shots in there drag cars usually have the money for built and coated engines. Hell, if i had that money i would do it.
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FI is definitely expensive, but its super fun! Evo might be worth a look to though if the deep pockets for modding an S2K arent there. Good luck with whatever choice you make.
Thanks tx2k. A dealer here in corpus has a red nsx for sale. I went to look at that the other day. I could forgo a turbo for some time while i drive around a v6. Still looking though I'm in no rush but my eyes are taking lots of punishment from reading articles online about modding prices, specs, maintenance cost, ect.
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No problem jake2k. That NSX would probably be fun as well! Ive seen a couple around here in the DFW area and always wondered about driving one. I feel your pain on the costs and maintenance though. My S was just down for a month because my turbo started seeping a small amount of oil.

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Im not going to threadjack jake2k and argue with you. Feel free to PM me if you want to have a meaningful debate.
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My Vortech kit and ACT clutch all installed cost me about $7500. I've got 50k miles on both the Vortech kit and ACT clutch, and now I need a new clutch.
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