Exterior / Detailing / Body Work Tips and tricks on how to clean the inside and outside of your S2000.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Understanding the soft top problem

Old 07-28-2011, 06:57 AM
  #1  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
Understanding the soft top problem

Last night I decided to see what all the fuss was about with respect to the well documented soft top tear. I opened and closed the top a few times for a quick look at the mechanism and contact points of the frame.

It's reported that the problem is associated with the crossmember running horizontallly in across the width of the car. As you close your top, the material is pulled over the bar under heavy tension. This repeated movement, combined with the tension of the material over the frame, contributes to the aforementioned wear.

The picture below shows the top opened about 35% - at this point, the pressure over the bar is relieved and you can squeeze your fingers between the material and it and feel for burs or rough edges. I didn't feel anything other than smooth metal.

When closing the roof, the material circled in red will move across the bar under significant pressure. The reinforced/doubled material just to the right of it would wear well in this location, but it may interfere with the folding of the material - I don't know.

I need to think of a few ways to proactively reinforce this area, as I drop the top daily. The matte finish of the frame lends itself towards added friction. I suspect if it is polished along the contact edge, it will allow the top to pass over with significantly less resistance. Maybe there is a tape of some sort that can be placed along these points that will provide a slick surface. I'll let you know what I find.

fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 08:24 AM
  #2  
S2000.com Sponsor
 
turbosix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: dallas
Posts: 4,329
there is. ripstop material is "slick"

hell, you could even glue a sleeve of the stuff around the bar right there... the sleeve would spin as the material passes the bar.
turbosix is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 08:35 AM
  #3  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
^That's a great suggestion, sort of a material roller.
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 11:17 AM
  #4  
Resident Curmudgeon
 
Java Junky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Joisey
Posts: 999,652
'Foun'da OEM top'da be han'z down'da bes' top available. 'Heavier stuff'n anythin' available afdermarket.
But, when'a OEM startz showin'itt'z age't 4 yearz, itt'z showin'itt'z age in more areaz'n jus'da section'att rubbz'da bar every up'n down.
'Ain't sayin'add'itt'z not worth bein' careful wit', but when'itt'z time'fuh'da topp'da go . . itt'z time'fuh'da topp'da go, y'know?
Java Junky is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 11:21 AM
  #5  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
^haha, yep. Next thread, "Understanding Java Junky!" :P
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 11:57 AM
  #6  
Resident Curmudgeon
 
Java Junky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Joisey
Posts: 999,652
'Like'da be'able'da tell'yuh'add'itt'z wort'da effort sal . . . but'da jury'z still out onn'att one.
Java Junky is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 12:11 PM
  #7  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
Haha, all good, my man. You're right though. I should just quit worrying and just enjoy the damn car!
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 02:52 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
TTMartin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,351
Originally Posted by fdesalvo View Post
Last night I decided to see what all the fuss was about with respect to the well documented soft top tear. I opened and closed the top a few times for a quick look at the mechanism and contact points of the frame.

It's reported that the problem is associated with the crossmember running horizontallly in across the width of the car. As you close your top, the material is pulled over the bar under heavy tension. This repeated movement, combined with the tension of the material over the frame, contributes to the aforementioned wear.

The picture below shows the top opened about 35% - at this point, the pressure over the bar is relieved and you can squeeze your fingers between the material and it and feel for burs or rough edges. I didn't feel anything other than smooth metal.

When closing the roof, the material circled in red will move across the bar under significant pressure. The reinforced/doubled material just to the right of it would wear well in this location, but it may interfere with the folding of the material - I don't know.

I need to think of a few ways to proactively reinforce this area, as I drop the top daily. The matte finish of the frame lends itself towards added friction. I suspect if it is polished along the contact edge, it will allow the top to pass over with significantly less resistance. Maybe there is a tape of some sort that can be placed along these points that will provide a slick surface. I'll let you know what I find.

Feel the hinge pin right below your red circle. Mine had a razor sharp weld flaw. It is my belief that this weld flaw rubs the strap that postions the bar correctly, and possibly even the area you have circled weakening it. This explains why the majority of failures are on the passenger side. Once the strap fails it can also cause rips in the drivers side.
TTMartin is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 03:02 PM
  #9  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
^will do
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 05:35 PM
  #10  
Resident Curmudgeon
 
Java Junky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Joisey
Posts: 999,652
TT . . . you've become'a guidin' light . . which'z good'z mos'a'da udda guyz whut actually knew somethin've gotten in'a wind, 'know whudd'I mean?
Here . . let me translate into English: Good info TT. Thanks.

Oh . . by'da way sal . . Don'z been sellin'da originalz for $29.95 on'da site.
I foun'eeze on Amazon for $19.99


Last edited by Java Junky; 07-28-2011 at 05:38 PM.
Java Junky is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 05:40 PM
  #11  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
I see you are now offering your desktop reference guide to the general public!
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 07:32 PM
  #12  
Resident Curmudgeon
 
Java Junky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Joisey
Posts: 999,652
Nah.
Itt'z some pirated-type ding.
I get squat from revenuez.
('S'okay. 'Prob'ly ain't wort' squat anyway.)
Java Junky is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 08:21 PM
  #13  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
Tt - you are dead on. There is a sharp area behind the pin - but only on my passenger side. I'll hit that puppy with the rat tails.

JJ - don't sell yourself short, my brotha! When you make it over to Hollywood, I'll be waiting in line at Book Soup for the book signing.
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 09:13 PM
  #14  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12
How about some good old gaffers tape.
nitto is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 09:28 PM
  #15  
Senior Member, Literally
 
philiam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: woodland hills, CA
Posts: 4,442
I stuck some black Gorilla tape on the obvious wear spots. Tough stuff.
philiam is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 10:02 PM
  #16  
Resident Curmudgeon
 
Java Junky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Joisey
Posts: 999,652
D'yuh dink mine'd look bedda wit' neon blue garilla tape'r international orange garilla tape?
Java Junky is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 10:08 PM
  #17  
LIVFAST
Thread Starter
 
fdesalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 228
Oh java - you a j2ee guy? I know you dig struts and spring .

Nitto/philliam - will check that out.
fdesalvo is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 10:17 PM
  #18  
Senior Member, Literally
 
philiam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: woodland hills, CA
Posts: 4,442
Originally Posted by Java Junky View Post
D'yuh dink mine'd look bedda wit' neon blue garilla tape'r international orange garilla tape?

Your supposed to put it inside old man.
philiam is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 10:23 PM
  #19  
EYECELLEM
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: SF Bay Area, California
Posts: 3,783
Oh . . by'da way sal . . Don'z been sellin'da originalz for $29.95 on'da site.
I foun'eeze on Amazon for $19.99

[/QUOTE]

I got mine for $9.95...someones making a tidy profit.
Glenn1 is offline  
Old 07-28-2011, 11:26 PM
  #20  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Iowa
Posts: 18
My top started to tear at the same location as well. one side is worse than the other side. I was going to patch up the inside with gorilla tape. I don't know what other people have sucessfully used to make the tears from the outside look less noticeable. any ideas?
Deimos8988 is offline  
Old 07-29-2011, 03:23 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
TTMartin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,351
Originally Posted by Deimos8988 View Post
My top started to tear at the same location as well. one side is worse than the other side. I was going to patch up the inside with gorilla tape. I don't know what other people have sucessfully used to make the tears from the outside look less noticeable. any ideas?
Someone on one of the S2K sites is cutting up tops and selling pieces of top to use as patch material.

But, before you patch it be sure you file down the sharp weld flaw, and do something to fix the strap (http://www.modifry.com/products/ctf/details.htm).
TTMartin is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 10:28 AM
  #22  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 10
I try to put the top up/down s little as possible, a good way to avoid stressing the fabric.
I also bought the boot to protect the top while down.

-jazzman
Jazzman is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 01:55 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
 
S2000 Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Santa Barbara, Ca
Posts: 157
Soft top patch materials

Deimos8988 says: My top started to tear at the same location as well. one side is worse than the other side. I was going to patch up the inside with gorilla tape. I don't know what other people have sucessfully used to make the tears from the outside look less noticeable. any ideas?
Hey Deimos - I went to a local custom shop here in Santa Barbara and the owner gave me a 5"x5" piece of black canvas soft top material and recommended that I apply 3M's gasket glue to both the top and the patch and then apply some pressure for a few minutes, which I did. I first cut the material into a small circle about the size of a silver dollar and glued it to the inside of the top. The glue is awesome stuff and it really worked well. It's been holding for more than a year without any signs of wear. Here's the link to the 3M adhesive as sold at AutoZone: http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...ntifier=934735

Good luck with the repair.

Bob
S2000 Bob is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 02:15 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Sr200003's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Gainesville Fl go Gators
Posts: 232
I have some stitching ( about inch and half ) on the outside of my top driver's side in the same area as this post coming undone, no leaks yet no tears so I am experimenting with a tape called Uglu which is an outdoor fabric tape. I put it on the underside and then did some extra taping all around the seems that run up and down under the bars and across, it's black so you don't notice it. Not sure if it will slow down the process that begun but had to try something.
Sr200003 is offline  
Old 08-22-2012, 07:17 PM
  #25  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 7
the Black Hole Patch works great and looks good put on to protect before the ware starts see the photos
TJungroth is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RoyzMG
Engine Tech / Drivetrain
4
08-19-2014 04:30 AM
dts2000
All Other Honda S2000 Related Discussions
13
11-09-2013 03:29 PM
L8Apex
Parts For Sale
6
09-27-2012 05:55 AM
marlin54us
All Other Honda S2000 Related Discussions
4
09-08-2012 03:45 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Understanding the soft top problem


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.