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Old 12-18-2012, 04:26 PM
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engine swap in California

This is something that I have been thinking of doin for a few years now. Yep putting a LS1 or 2 into a S2K. if I do this I will start putting the kit togather soon and once I have all the parts I will find a S2K that needs a new heart. Because I want to build this car as a street car with all the goodies, it must be smog legal in california. I have tried to weed my way thru the DMV web sites. Can anyone help?
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:20 AM
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Might want to try this place: http://v8s2000.com/forums/

Might have some valuable info. Keep us posted Will.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:14 AM
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Just swap it and find a smog shop that will pass it no matter what for a little extra cash. Problem solved!

I have to ask, and I know T6 is probably lurking somewhere waiting to pounce on me about this:

If you want a RWD 2 seater convertible with a LS engine in it, why not just buy a Corvette. I love the s2000, and I could see myself owning a Vette, but I don't know why you would trouble yourself with this (and basically ruin a rare-ish car in the process).

I understand engine swaps when you are taking an engine from a totally different type of car but these cars are too similar for it to make sense. I would guess that a corvette with a corvette engine would be better than and s2000 with a corvette engine in every way.

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Old 12-19-2012, 10:40 AM
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You might also check with the California Air Resources Board to see if this is a feasible idea. This resource might help, even though I'm not sure it's current. Your best bet is to also transplant the Corvette smog system as well to help with the certification process. GOOD LUCK!

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_barresource...uidelines.html

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:13 PM
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i'm personally not sure it's worth it if you buy the kit (as it runs $1525 plus shipping for the whole kit) plus probably... 1200-2500 for the donor car (of course you could part out some of said donor depending on what it was) but, by the time you're done, if you can do the labor yourself, you're probably looking at somewhere in the range of 3500-4500 swapped. (of course if yours has a good motor, that'll offset it by 1800-2500, and trans will help too) but if you have a good motor/trans, seems to make no sense to kill a good car and do a swap, at that point i would thinking looking for a roller would make more sense.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:14 PM
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Thanks Switch for the link. If I do this it will be "just because It would be fun" . Also if I do this I will not take a good runing S2K and cut out its heart. My dad and I put a 302 into a pinto and I put a 305 into a TR7 many years ago. With all that said, if I do this it will bring a dead or dieing S2K back to life. And whata life!
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:26 PM
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There's a smog legal LS3 drop in engine available, I don't think our cars are old enough for it though. A colleague has a smog legal FD with said LS3.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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Well, as far as I can tell it will very difficult to put a LSx into a S2k. Not because of the fit or electronics, but because of the smog laws in Ca. I have access to a 04 LS with a six speed from a GTO and have located a pre made kit to install. Over the next year or so I would assemble all the parts needed to do the switch. Then when ready I would sell my current S and buy a S in need of a new heart. But as far as I can tell the state of California will not allow this fun project to take place. If anyone has a solution please let me know.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:22 PM
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Move to Nevada...........j/k.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:58 PM
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If you get your drivers license from another state would'nt you be exempt from smog laws? Try getting your license from another state. My Grandpa just got his license from new mexico cause he got his taken away in texas for DUI..
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:24 PM
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I did that many years ago. I had a address in AZ and the local CHP noticed my car being around for overa year and busted me because Ca. Has a limit on how long you can have a car in the state without having it reg. here. The same goes with your drivers lic. They get you one way or another.
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:27 PM
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The problem with that is once you establish residency you are required within a short period of time to get that states DL.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:11 AM
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Hey Will!

I did a small block chevy in a tr6, when I was in high school...fun is an understatement. I know there is a company that was developing a kit, but not sure how they are coming along: http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/s-944-honda-s2000.aspx
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:41 AM
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Inport Madnes has a complete kit that even includes the speedo correction hardware. Its pretty sad when the hard part of this job are the rules. Doesnt look like this build can happen in Cali. Sometimes its really hard to like this place.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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Its not hard to do, just follow the rules and its easy. CA even tells you what you can and can not do. We have a member here in S.F. that has a LS with a auto trans in his S and his car is SMOG and street legal.

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Old 12-26-2012, 03:08 PM
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Rrounds could you please have your friend pm me. I just got to know how he did it.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by will williams View Post
Rrounds could you please have your friend pm me. I just got to know how he did it.
I thought it just had to be a CA smog legal engine from the same MY or newer with all the original smog equipment intact.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:27 PM
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Well yes and no, it has to be a "passenger car" engine(not from a truck) same MY or newer with all the SMOG equipment from the new engine. I saw a Jag with a S/B Chevy that a guy had to pull because it was a truck block(expensive mistake).

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Old 12-29-2012, 04:21 PM
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JUST DO IT MAN!!!
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:44 AM
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Just thought I'd chime in. I am a former Nissan and Mitsu service advisor in Sacramento area, and I am sorry to tell you that it will likely never pass with the current laws in place. There are rumors of these types of swaps being allowable as of jan 1 2015, when smog exemption moves to model year 1995. I know a smog referee very well, and even if the power train, cats, ECM, etc were completely stock, it would still likely fail the preliminary inspection, and you'd have to appeal. Some have won but its an expensive battle, and a royal PITA from what I hear.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:11 AM
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I sadly have to agree. It is not worth the risk.
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I hayte to hear tha'choove been ham-strung will.
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Our shop has sold a complete s2k swap to a guy in SF who swapped it into an old corolla, we included all electronics, exhaust, emission, fuel tank, evap system ,all and the guy made it smog legal.
I recently sold a 2010 k20z3 swap to a guy who installed into a 2000 civic and had to go through BAR they gave him a whole list of things that needs to comply to pass bar and smog, he got the evap system, catalytic, fuel tank same story and made it smog legal...
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From what I understand, the drama begins when swapping another type of drivetrain all together. Not even considering how difficult it would be to accomplish this with all related parts to comply with smog in the first place, the car still has to be inspected. Bottom line, they like to deny, and make it as difficult as possible. It's easy for a smog ref to say no based on class of engine. You may appeal and win, eventually... But who wants to go through legal battles (or the costs associated). It's much easier to swap a motor from a like class such as the above mentioned, as it doesn't raise such a red flag.
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Hey Will, build up a new S2k engine.

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Old 01-29-2013, 07:53 PM
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Two reasons why I wanted to do a ls2 in a S2k. 1. I love the sound of a v8 and 2. You can buy a prefab kit for this install. And it could be done for under 10k (not including the cost of the car). just not wise in the state of Ca.
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What about this Will, a little more money but http://www.vipercarparts.com/kits.html
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Hahaha, very nice Chaz. If I go that route I will build a Daytona kit.
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Engine swaps are done every day in CA and its legal if done right.

The basic intent of the California engine change laws is that when you do an engine swap, the new engine/transmission cannot pollute more than the original engine/transmission. This means the newly installed engine must be the same year (or newer) as the vehicle, and all emissions controls on the newly installed engine must be installed and functional. Also, you can't put a heavy-duty truck engine into an S2000 because heavy-duty truck engines have less stringent emissions limits than passenger car engines.

Do it right the first time and you will have no problems getting the Referee Station to approve the swap.

And the last time I did a swap the Referee Station cost me a whopping $40

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The project is not dead. I did pick up a LS and 6 speed trans and have them put away in my garage. I know I will not start the project anytime soon. As it stands I know I can sell the eng and trans if I truly choose to give up. My hang up comes from my last fix it ticket on darken tail lights. I got pulled over on the 210 freeway while driving 60 in the right lane. The police officer made it very clear that he was going to make sure my "little hotrod" was completely legal and if he found anything not to standard he would see to it that "this little hotrod would be crushed". Needless to say my taillights are now stock and very legal. I just don't want anymore crap from the CHP. So I am being very careful.
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Been there done that Will, I got pulled over in my S2K for the very same thing. But me being the Smart A$$ I am had to mouth off to the cop, He came up to the car and asked if I knew why he pulled me over. So I played stupid and said No. Well I pulled you over for having illegal tail lights and I was not very smart for having them on the car, I could have caused an accident on the freeway.Here's where it gets good as he was writing the ticket he asked me, what kind if car is this. Well sir it's a mazda protoge I said. WRONG ANSWER! I sat on the side of the freeway for about an hour while more CHP showed up, than got the lecture about being truthful with a CHP officer when they ask me a question. If I were you lay low for a while.
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Chaz, I dont speed on any streets or freeways. So when I got pulled over with most of the traffic going around 70, I was surprised. All I want to do is to enjoy my "little hotrod". Not to hijack my onw thread, I just want to do this right. But do it once.
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