How hard is it to add VSA(traction control) to Ap1?

salthepalfromcal · 11-03-2009, 04:59 PM

I was looking to add traction control on my s2000 so it will make it easier to drive fast in rainy conditions. I have an 2002 s2000 and i know they dont make the VSA for the ap1 s2000 and they are only offered in the ap2`s. Is it possible to add it on my car? How hard would it be ? and how much would it cost?

Thanx...

RL1924 · 11-03-2009, 05:01 PM

Hmmm To be honest, You really dont want to be driving fast in the rain lol, It just prevents accidents doesn't make it easier really, I know many guys that have it and don't like it. I would think the crowd of drivers the s2000 attracts would be all for no vsa, but maybe im wrong.

TheSoundMan21 · 11-03-2009, 05:58 PM

honestly... seat time and paying attention to road surface is key. That and knowing YOUR limit and the limit of your tires. I drove in soaking wet conditions with about 30 other S2000s with speeds in excess of 70mph in some spots. (I know kinda taints my rep) but its that that will save you everytime. VSA cant do that. I drive about 30k a year so hey its the best thing to do. Helps you learn... that or if you can find a track day in the rain.

s2000isu · 11-03-2009, 06:18 PM

wont help you drive fast in the rain lol

philiam · 11-03-2009, 06:42 PM

You'll still hydroplane and lose control if you push it too hard.

MutantCheese · 11-03-2009, 07:02 PM

Best way to get VSA is to buy a my06+ and yes VSA will help your takeoffs on wet roads, but once your car goes sideways, VSA is useless.

Jim21680 · 11-03-2009, 07:03 PM

+1 on what everyone else said.

But honestly, I think "adding" the VSC might be a little too complex for us Joe Schmoes. There's a lot of stuff integrated with that system.

desmo4 · 11-03-2009, 07:03 PM

We all drove to S2kdays 08 in Bellterra IA in a torrential rain storm. The windshield wipers couldn't keep up at 80+ miles per hour but the RE-01R's stuck like glue. Others were going even faster and didn't have any problems. The key to driving the S is being smooth on the controls. And when I arrived and wanted to leave the car while I registered they insisted on Vally parking it. I was told to turn around and park in another garage. I revved the engine, grabbed the hand brake and spun a 180 on their wet cobble stone entry way and drove to the other garage. Smooth control no VSA needed.

Jonathan

D1sclaimer · 11-03-2009, 07:43 PM

I have VSA in my 00. Its called good use of feet.

s2kx2 · 11-03-2009, 07:46 PM

Driving School and SLOWING DOWN ... Jackie Ickx you ain't. None of us will ever be that good in the wet, so chill because the S2000 will not suffer fools, especially wet fools behind the wheels and the ears.

gomarlins3 · 11-03-2009, 08:30 PM

If you have to ask about it to help you drive in the rain, it won't help.

chazdawg35 · 11-03-2009, 08:43 PM

Hey Sal! IMO, the tires are the best way to go for aiding control in the rain.

J'sS2K · 11-03-2009, 10:21 PM

Slow down when it rains.

fltsfshr · 11-04-2009, 02:49 AM

There is a kit available in England that works off your abs.

fltsfshr

MutantCheese · 11-04-2009, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D1sclaimer

I have VSA in my 00. Its called good use of feet.

The same was said about ABS when it was first introduced....

fltsfshr · 11-04-2009, 05:43 AM

Racelogic makes one that works on an S.

fltsfshr

TheSoundMan21 · 11-04-2009, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J'sS2K

Slow down when it rains.

I dont... =] only in certain areas really...

and I dont need abs either... or air bags or any of this other "stupid proof crap" this babied socity it expecting everyone else to protect them from their idiocy.

MutantCheese · 11-04-2009, 06:51 AM

Invincibility isn't one of my superpowers just yet...

TheSoundMan21 · 11-04-2009, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MutantCheese

Invincibility isn't one of my superpowers just yet...

I have driven 300,000+ miles in only like 9 years never a crash. Maybe its where I drive not alot of people and I stay away from people. I stick it with seat belts but thats all I want. vsa abs air bags crumble zones now we have smart cruise control and cars that tell you when you get out of your lane.... just letting us get lazier and lazier. Face it the S is really one of the hardest cars yet... but still extreamly safe. Just sick of everyone wanting to protect me.

MutantCheese · 11-04-2009, 07:02 AM

My point is, that while you don't think that you need these safety features, they are saving lives. Your 300,000 miles of safe driving only puts you at a higher statistical risk of an accident in the future. Don't knock technology and the safety features that we have on modern cars. Lazy or professional driver alike have survived serious accidents that they would have surely perished in 30 years ago.

TheSoundMan21 · 11-04-2009, 07:10 AM

True they save lives no doubt about that. But we are letting something else think for us and take the responsibility of our mistakes. Thats the America we live in today. People will take more chances mindlessly not thinking just because they expect someone else to cover for their mistakes. A little fear never did to much harm. But yeah I wont get the popular vote on this I know that.

lonestarbuzz · 11-04-2009, 07:18 AM

i found this kit for VSA on an ap1

mlc · 11-04-2009, 07:23 AM

I agree with what everyone else has said. Traction control or not, driving fast in the rain would not be high on my list of things to do and I wouldn't recommend it.

Here are the people that sell a traction control system for the S http://www.racelogic.co.uk/. Last time I saw a thread on this I beleive it was around $1000.

Kevin

TheSoundMan21 · 11-04-2009, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonestarbuzz

i found this kit for VSA on an ap1

ow buzz thats hitting below the belt...

hmm thats an idea for a new quote for AP1 drivers....

AP1 drivers have balls...

Old Guy · 11-04-2009, 12:07 PM

I live in Oregon. It rains from October to May, I put the car in the garage and wait 'til spring. Unless of course we get sunny days like today . . . whooo hooo!

Driving topless makes my day

Jim21680 · 11-04-2009, 12:18 PM

I think it's kind of silly to say that you wouldn't want crumple zones, air bags, ABS, and VSA. I'm certainly glad we can turn VSA off, and honestly, I could live just fine without it. But for the crumple zones & air bags, I'm very glad to have them. I don't want an engine block landing on my lap, and I don't want to collapse my skull on the steering wheel either. As for ABS, some REALLY REALLY REALLY good drivers might actually be better off without it, but for the rest of us non-superhumans, it's a performance & safety benefit. I just hope I never get to try out all these safety features...I'll take Honda's word for it that they work

gomarlins3 · 11-04-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSoundMan21

ow buzz thats hitting below the belt

Literally.

turbosix · 11-04-2009, 12:33 PM

ya'll postin in a troll thread

TheSoundMan21 · 11-04-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim21680

I think it's kind of silly to say that you wouldn't want crumple zones, air bags, ABS, and VSA. I'm certainly glad we can turn VSA off, and honestly, I could live just fine without it. But for the crumple zones & air bags, I'm very glad to have them. I don't want an engine block landing on my lap, and I don't want to collapse my skull on the steering wheel either. As for ABS, some REALLY REALLY REALLY good drivers might actually be better off without it, but for the rest of us non-superhumans, it's a performance & safety benefit. I just hope I never get to try out all these safety features...I'll take Honda's word for it that they work

You know after some thought its not so much the safety features im upset with... as much as I am the people who use it as an excuse not to pay attention to the road more like they should.

MutantCheese · 11-04-2009, 12:39 PM

Trolls are people too

and besides, I think that we successfully hijacked this thread for our our selfish gain.

Vezna31 · 11-04-2009, 12:57 PM

Hey Sal, I don't want to sound like a d&%k, but if you want to drive fast in the rain, do it at a racetrack where the ONLY person being put in danger is yourself and not some innocent bystander who was being careful doing the speed limit and got plowed into by someone who lost control thinking they were the new rain master of Formula 1.

11-03-2009, 04:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
salthepalfromcal Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 38	How hard is it to add VSA(traction control) to Ap1? I was looking to add traction control on my s2000 so it will make it easier to drive fast in rainy conditions. I have an 2002 s2000 and i know they dont make the VSA for the ap1 s2000 and they are only offered in the ap2`s. Is it possible to add it on my car? How hard would it be ? and how much would it cost? Thanx... __________________ SALTHEPALFROMCAL

11-03-2009, 06:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,748	wont help you drive fast in the rain lol __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

11-03-2009, 06:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
philiam Senior Member, Literally Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: woodland hills, CA Posts: 2,735	You'll still hydroplane and lose control if you push it too hard. __________________ .

11-03-2009, 07:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
MutantCheese The Cheeziest! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 685	Best way to get VSA is to buy a my06+ and yes VSA will help your takeoffs on wet roads, but once your car goes sideways, VSA is useless. __________________ 2008 S2000 New Formula Red (K&N FIPK; AUT cooling plate; Berk Ceramic coated SS headers; Berk SS HFC; Tanabe Concept G SS exhaust; Hondata toda Reflash; OEM front lip; Megan strut bar; Eibach Prokit) 2006 Civic Si NBP w/hfp kit (Too many mods to list here) 2008 CR-V EX-L w/Nav Enjoy your midlife crisis...you only get one! Visit: www.GNOunderground.com

11-03-2009, 07:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jim21680 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 572	+1 on what everyone else said. But honestly, I think "adding" the VSC might be a little too complex for us Joe Schmoes. There's a lot of stuff integrated with that system. __________________ Last edited by Jim21680; 11-03-2009 at 07:23 PM.

11-03-2009, 05:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,137	Hmmm To be honest, You really dont want to be driving fast in the rain lol, It just prevents accidents doesn't make it easier really, I know many guys that have it and don't like it. I would think the crowd of drivers the s2000 attracts would be all for no vsa, but maybe im wrong.

11-03-2009, 07:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hillsboro, OR Posts: 1,315	We all drove to S2kdays 08 in Bellterra IA in a torrential rain storm. The windshield wipers couldn't keep up at 80+ miles per hour but the RE-01R's stuck like glue. Others were going even faster and didn't have any problems. The key to driving the S is being smooth on the controls. And when I arrived and wanted to leave the car while I registered they insisted on Vally parking it. I was told to turn around and park in another garage. I revved the engine, grabbed the hand brake and spun a 180 on their wet cobble stone entry way and drove to the other garage. Smooth control no VSA needed. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

11-03-2009, 07:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
s2kx2 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 682	Driving School and SLOWING DOWN ... Jackie Ickx you ain't. None of us will ever be that good in the wet, so chill because the S2000 will not suffer fools, especially wet fools behind the wheels and the ears. __________________ "Political Correctness is a pathetically ignorant doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous agenda filled revisionist mainstream media, which holds forth fallacy as fact that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."

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11-03-2009, 08:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
chazdawg35 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: simi valley,california Posts: 1,867	Hey Sal! IMO, the tires are the best way to go for aiding control in the rain. __________________

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MutantCheese The Cheeziest! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 685	My point is, that while you don't think that you need these safety features, they are saving lives. Your 300,000 miles of safe driving only puts you at a higher statistical risk of an accident in the future. Don't knock technology and the safety features that we have on modern cars. Lazy or professional driver alike have survived serious accidents that they would have surely perished in 30 years ago. __________________ 2008 S2000 New Formula Red (K&N FIPK; AUT cooling plate; Berk Ceramic coated SS headers; Berk SS HFC; Tanabe Concept G SS exhaust; Hondata toda Reflash; OEM front lip; Megan strut bar; Eibach Prokit) 2006 Civic Si NBP w/hfp kit (Too many mods to list here) 2008 CR-V EX-L w/Nav Enjoy your midlife crisis...you only get one! Visit: www.GNOunderground.com

11-04-2009, 07:23 AM	#23 (permalink)
mlc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 324	I agree with what everyone else has said. Traction control or not, driving fast in the rain would not be high on my list of things to do and I wouldn't recommend it. Here are the people that sell a traction control system for the S http://www.racelogic.co.uk/. Last time I saw a thread on this I beleive it was around $1000. Kevin

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Old Guy Cranky is my middle Name Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hillsboro, OR Posts: 345	I live in Oregon. It rains from October to May, I put the car in the garage and wait 'til spring. Unless of course we get sunny days like today . . . whooo hooo! Driving topless makes my day __________________

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Jim21680 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 572	I think it's kind of silly to say that you wouldn't want crumple zones, air bags, ABS, and VSA. I'm certainly glad we can turn VSA off, and honestly, I could live just fine without it. But for the crumple zones & air bags, I'm very glad to have them. I don't want an engine block landing on my lap, and I don't want to collapse my skull on the steering wheel either. As for ABS, some REALLY REALLY REALLY good drivers might actually be better off without it, but for the rest of us non-superhumans, it's a performance & safety benefit. I just hope I never get to try out all these safety features...I'll take Honda's word for it that they work __________________

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Vezna31 Resident Track Whore :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chula Vista, CA Posts: 1,618	Hey Sal, I don't want to sound like a d&%k, but if you want to drive fast in the rain, do it at a racetrack where the ONLY person being put in danger is yourself and not some innocent bystander who was being careful doing the speed limit and got plowed into by someone who lost control thinking they were the new rain master of Formula 1. __________________ Vezna Financial Services - For mortgages, accounting and taxes, and phone service needs. http://www.vezna.com San Diego Car Club - http://www.sdcarclub.com Last edited by gomarlins3; 11-04-2009 at 03:28 PM. Reason: Profanity

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